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graeme holt's avatar

It seems to me that Chris’s description of those against the bill being socialists, and those for it being liberals is a bit black and white for me. All of us just want good law. Yes the socialists want the state to look after us because we can’t look after ourselves. They want government laws for everything because those who Can think for themselves can’t be trusted. What we have is a country with way too much legislation for it’s size, much of it outdated and over reaching. ln simple terms the government doesn’t want to risk being held liable for anything. The result is sometimes stupidity. A small recent example of that is Act sorting out requirements for parents opening a bank account for their kids. Previously needing excessive documentation, passports proof of address and more. For many it was just too time consuming and onerous so they didn’t bother. They are the ones putting money into these accounts and if they did withdraw it again so what. Until the kid is of age that would be the parents right wouldn’t it.

Chris talks of the definition of harm when referring to Dairy farmers possibly polluting their land. I believe the Board monitoring the legislation would know what harm was. There would be plenty of watchdogs out there ready to kick up a fuss if pollution was happening. Admittedly the small print in the bill could provide loopholes but to me the general intent of the bill is fine.

“If pressed, Act will always put the liberty of individual New Zealanders and the sanctity of their private property, well ahead of the nation’s collective welfare"

. A harsh and unfair opinion of Act in my opinion Chris. Giving individuals a voice against oppressive lawmaking is a good thing in my mind. It’s democratic.

Balance is the important thing here. Like much in ideological politics we tend to swing too much one way and then the other. We need good regulation not outdated over regulation. I would want the “Board “ that would be monitoring new legislation to be representative of our social, business and environmental standards, not just biased politicians who will oppose new law just for their own agendas. Yes the bill could be undone by the next Labour coalition, but they would need to give it a chance or they would be seen to be a small minded spiteful government.

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John Baker's avatar

I don’t understand the difficulty with private property. It doesn’t seem an unreasonable concept.

Private property is a common thing to be noted in constitutions. Australia has it in theirs. It is explicit in Canada, Spain, Italy, the US , Spain and France. I could go on. We in NZ are more of an outlier.

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